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And here comes the usual hypocrisy.

So just because I uttered the words "extremist Jewish madness" I'm an antisemite? What about all the hypocrites screaming "Islamic Terrorism" all day long? They're good christian conservatives, right?

And they say its the Muslims that ask for special status.


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Are you actually making the assinine claim that they aren't screaming for special status in any country they move to? What about foot baths installed in public universities using taxpayer money? What about the bending over backwards that the Islamists are asking most of Europe to do to kowtow to their demands? What about the rise in honor killings in European countries that has happened since unfettered Muslim immigration has begun?

As for your ludicrously facetious statement about "Islamic Terror"...

Are you truly so blind as to not see the 10,262 terror attacks that have been perpetrated by Muslims since 9/11/2001?

We are not the ones associating Islam with their actions; they are, and they make no bones about screaming their viewpoints at every photographer/journalist/etc. that they see.

Why is it that leftists always consider Christian conservatism to be as bad as strapping a bomb to oneself and blowing oneself up in a crowded area? They don't have any idea what true Right Wing extremism is.

I am an agnostic Constitutional Libertarian, and I would rather live in a Christian dominated country than a Muslim dominated one, 10 out of 10 times. At least under the Christians, I'm free to not worship their god if I don't want to, and I won't get stoned or hung for my lack of belief. You see, there is no compulsion in relgion with regards to Christianity, unlike in Islam where they are advised by the example of Mohammed to:

Tabari VIII:178
Ishaq:550 "Muhammad ordered that certain men should be assassinated even if they were found behind the curtains of the Ka'aba. Among them was Abdallah bin Sa'd [the Qur'an's one and only scribe]. The reason that Allah's Messenger ordered that he should be slain was because he had become a Muslim and used to write down Qur'an Revelation. Then he apostatized [rejected Islam]."

If the Palestinians want peace so badly, they should stop firing missles at random into northern Israel, stop acting like terrorists, and start accepting the existence of Israel, instead of ignoring the real authors of their woes; the other Arab countries in the region who wanted nothing to do with ANY of the refugees from the 2 wars that the Arab world waged against Israel.

It's not going anywhere. And I hope it doesn't. It's the only truly democratic and Western nation in that whole dark and backwards area of the world.

Finally, if you live in the US, anti-evil, I cordially invite you to move to a Middle Eastern or North African country and experience for yourself the gentle tolerance and love of the Islamofascists there. Just don't bring any music, or reading material besides the Qu'ran/Hadith/Sira. After all, they beat and jail rape victims over there for the crime of being with an unrelated man. Doing something against sharia law has harsh consequences.
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RE: #10

Thanks, captainfish. It's infuriating sometimes that these willfully ignorant people refuse to see that they would be the first to be lined up against the wall and shot if the Islamists were to sieze power in their country of origin.

Islamofascists make Christian conservatives look like a 1980's metal band on a cocaine, booze and hooker bender.
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Bah. steve, you are practicing the worst form of moral equivalency. There is a VAST difference between a legitimate civil rights protester and this asshat, who goes out of his way to get put on camera for propaganda shots to further the cause of the terrorists that run Gaza right now. MLK didn't advocate sending children into crowded areas with bombs strapped to them, and having them detonate themselves. That is NOT legitimate resistance. That is evil, any way you slice it. If you fail to recognize that, then you're either blinded by liberalism or you're siding with evil deliberately.

And "occupiers"? Of what? Israel hasn't actually been occupying Gaza fully militarily for a while now. And what did those throwbacks do the moment that Israel pulled out? Hamas and Fatah started killing each other and driving the Christians (and all other non-Muslims) out of Bethlehem. Israel has capitulated again and again to these neanderthals, in the vain hope that this time appeasement will stop the random missle attacks on their northern towns, like Sderot, and the suicide bombing attempts on their civilian populace. To date, ALL such attempts have failed.

Palestinians, like most radical islamists, won't ever recognize Israel as a sovereign nation. Their stated goal is to drive the Jew into the sea. They will accept nothing less than a Middle East which is totally Judenfrei.

Israel left them settlements full of buildings, infrastructure and working greenhouses, which were utterly disregarded, by the throwbacks; some were deliberately burned down. After all, the ebil JOOOS must've done something to taint the greenhouses. Because they are definitely responsible for all the wrongs that the Palestinians suffer, even though they suffer the vast majority of those wrongs at the hands of fellow Palestinians.

Every day, these animals kill more of each other and scream their hatred of anyone who isn't them at the cameras of a greedy, hungry MSM that's eager to do whatever it takes to denigrate the US and Israel, for the sake of pleasing the bleeding heart liberal establishment that's slowly eroding my country from within.

Palestine was much more peaceful, and more human dignity and rights existed for the citizens, when Israel was in charge of the whole region militarily. At least then Hamas and Fatah weren't shooting at each other in the streets and throwing each other off building tops; the IDF found that rather distasteful, and tended to control such behaviour.
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I'm going to address your concerns one at a time, tr1gg3r. And since you claim to be more educated than I, I’m not going to bother using small words.

"Are you talking about the Qassam rockets? How ignorant you really are. They are not missiles moron, actually they lack any form of guidance system whatsoever. However the IOF helicopters flying over the west bank drop (actual) missiles regularly."

Rockets. Missiles. Apples. Oranges. They both kill people. As for the IDF comment. Prove it. Show me non-doctored pictures of the IDF carrying out raids even as we speak where they indiscriminately bomb civilian sites.

"One such incident, they fired one at a so called terrorist general blowing up his car with him in it. After a few minutes, there was a crowd of about 50-60 surrounding the car that was blown up. The IOF decide it would be fun if they dropped another, just to make sure they killed as many "potential terrorists" as they could. Killing innocent civilian bystanders, who were trying to help the casualties."

Links? Proof of this? I call BS and blood libel until I see it. Once again, it is the Palestinians of Hamas/Fatah that are shooting rockets at Israeli civilian centers indiscriminately. That has been proven again and again, and is well documented. The atrocities you're claiming that are happening? Not a word is spoken about them in ANY sort of media other than the obsessed conspiracy theory that passes for news in the Middle East.

"Let me ask you this: What constitutes a terrorist? Someone who has lost their home to IOF bulldozer, who justified it by saying "so called terrorists could use it as a hiding place". This guy gets a home made rocket and shoots it at the armed military Israeli forces surrounding the west bank, and he is deemed a terrorist."

They're not shooting at army targets. They are shooting at civilian population centers. Schools. Hospitals. etc. Again, all of this is well documented online. I would also state that teaching your children to love death more than life and strap a bomb to their chest to take out the dirty, evil JOOO is a prime example of terrorist behavior in the extreme. Using children to further your own sadistic ends is evil, no matter what you say about it, and you are siding with evil in this case.

And, to date, there have been over 10262 terrorist attacks performed BY MUSLIMS since 9/11/01. Most of their thousands of victims have been fellow Muslims, but a few have gotten what they wanted and killed some dirty kaffir as well. This November alone, there were 203 jihad attacks in 13 countries against 5 separate religious groups, killing 1138 and critically injuring 1358. All of this is also well documented. And we aren't the ones linking it to their faith; they are.

"Meanwhile the watchtowers use their machine guns at random to shoot over the heads of people living in the west bank, instilling fear in the people.
Their bullets ricocheting off houses and killing innocent (not military) victims. Would not that be considered terrorism?

At least the so called Palestinian terrorists are aiming at the IOF with their rockets as opposed to civilians or activists."

Links? Proof? Or is this just another Al Durrah blood libel BS story?

"An American peace activist, Rachel Corrie, was crushed to death by an IOF bulldozer; a British peace protester was shot in the head by an IOF sniper and remains in a coma; and a British cameraman was shot dead by the IOF.

Within hours of arriving Sandra and Rodrigo are shot at and tear-gassed by Israeli troops breaking up a memorial service for Rachel Corrie, an American peace activist crushed by an Israeli Army bulldozer before.

IT WAS A MEMORIAL SERVICE!!!!

You know, I personally just found out for myself the human rights atrocities that are going on in that part of the world. Listening to the Zionist side of the arguments only reiterates my convictions regarding this conflict."

Links? Proof? From more than just a Leftist or pro-Palestinian website?

"You know, I personally just found out for myself the human rights atrocities that are going on in that part of the world. Listening to the Zionist side of the arguments only reiterates my convictions regarding this conflict.

Everyone participating on this board has shown no regard for the suffering of their fellow man

Instead you choose to mock someone who has probably seen more and lost more in his life than you people could even imagine. You sicken me, it’s pathetic.

Nothing you can say can change the fact that the people in Palestine are in a fucked up state.

You can sit here in you suburban neighborhoods, drink you "fair trade coffee" and crack jokes at someone who is trying to end the violence."

How did you just "personally" find out about the terrible human rights violations? And, for the record, we're not mocking a "courageous" protestor. We're pointing out a shill for the terrorists who are running that "fucked up state" into the ground with their little petty war they have going on between themselves, Fatah, and the IDF. It is Palestinian killing Palestinian over there; their own political party heads are saying it on international news channels, including Al Jazeerah. Hamas and Fatah have hated each other since the movements first splintered. They don't hide their feelings; they scream them out from the rooftops and the streets to anyone who will listen.

Also, this guy doesn't look like he's trying to "end the violence". He looks like he's trying to pick a fight. He ain't exactly holding flowers and singing kumbayah to the soldiers standing in front of him. If I had a guy in my face like that in real life, he'd be laid out on the ground before he got the second word out.

"You state that Palestine will never accept a sovereign Israeli nation. Israel won't accept a sovereign Palestinian nation; they won’t rest until they have amalgamated all the land, taken over the west bank, and the Gaza strip. Yes, Israel withdrew the Gaza strip but only after immense pressure from the rest of the world. Of course, the us/Israeli influence on the media, this was portrayed this as some sort of godly act."

Israel shouldn't recognize Palestine as a state until they start acting like they deserve one, instead of like homicidal brats in a small schoolyard. Real states don't have political parties in charge that throw one another off of rooftops.

A little information for you.

Ever since Sinai, a pattern has been established:

1. Israel is attacked.
2. Israel defends itself.
3. The UN or other international group steps in to end the violence, calling for both sides to take certain actions to resolve the situation.
4. Israel attempts to comply but the intransigence and non-compliance of Israel's enemies delays implementation.
5. Israel is blamed for failing to comply while the failures of Israel's enemies are ignored.

This pattern repeats over the decades: Sinai, 1967 war, 1973 war, Lebanon, and in 2002 with regard to Israeli actions in the territories, actions taken in reaction to a wave of homicide bombings in Israel.

Israel has given in to their demands under international pressure, its true. But it hasn't helped the situation; it has only exacerbated it. Because the true demands and desires of the Palestinian (and, by proxy, the Arab world) equate to a Judenfrei Palestine that encompasses all of Israel, with Jerusalem at its capital.

It was a suicidal mistake for Israel to ever give those lands back. The Palestinians took said lands and immediately began launching Quassam rockets at Sderot and other northern Israeli settlements.

The amount of lands that Palestinians have claimed to have "stolen" from them after Israel even started equals more than the total acreage of Palestine. A good portion (if not all) of those land claims are bullshit.

The Jews bought and paid for that land, which was originally granted to them by international mandate in 1920. The actual legal amount of land granted was about 10 times the size of Israel today. It was sold to them by the countries that legally held the land at the time. The Palestinians' plight is more the fault of the Arab governments who wanted NOTHING to do with the refugees of the wars they fought with Israel. It was better and more politically expedient for said governments to create a "human rights" situation exactly like the one that is playing out today, where bleeding hearts like you would cry for the Palestinians and blame Israel for their plight.

Again, it amazes me that "Liberals" such as yourself really have no clue whatsoever how the real world works. These people are not legitimate resistance. They are terrorists. They recently voted for Hitler as a role model for their people on their national radio station. They have horrible, indoctrinating TV shows that encourage children, through use of cartoon-like characters and other children, to engage in violent, often suicidal jihad; not just against Israel, but against the West as well. They use babies to blow up soldiers. They love the death of their enemies (of which you are one as well, make no mistake; Islam is not the most liberal of religious traditions) more than they love the lives of their children.

That is morally reprehensible, evil, and wrong to any sane thinking person, and siding with that which is evil makes me even question, as an informed agnostic, whether or not you know what Christianity truly is.

People like you tend to make the problem much worse for those Muslims who really do only want to live in peace with us; by your encouragement of these nutjob fanatics, you are only making their voices more stridently heard, and giving them more socio/political power, while silencing the voices of those screaming for the reform of their faith from within. You are encouraging the spread of the jihad ideology, and in so doing, dooming the truly peaceful and moderate members of the Muslim faith to the edge of subjugation and extinction. By refusing to call a spade a spade, and a terrorist a terrorist, you lend validation to the abominations and brutal crimes against humanity the extremists perpetrate in the name of Allah.

But then again, your rant doesn't really surprise me. Hardcore Liberalism is a form of Peter Pan insanity at its core, with a refusal to see that there is in fact evil in the world, and neither Israel nor the West are the perpetrators. Liberals would rather believe that everyone wants rainbows and puppy dogs, and that there isn't evil in the world, just "different thought". That's not the way the grown up world works; the idea of "live and let live" doesn't exist for Islamofascists. That particular concept of personal choice and freedom is distinctly Western in nature.

I said it before, and I will say it again. Israel is the only liberal Western democracy in the entire region. It is the ONLY place in that area where people who are enemies of the state hold seats in the government of said state. All of the rest are run by petty dictators, backwards Luddite asshat jihadists, oil-rich princes, kings and mullahs who care more about lining their pocketbooks and shouting "Death to America/Israel" than the basic needs of their people. These are the same throwbacks that recently sentenced a gang rape victim to 200 lashes and over a month in jail for the crime of being with an unrelated man (Our good friends the Saudis). They hang homosexuals for being homosexual (Iran). They behead or hang those who leave Islam, as they are considered apostates (Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, et. al.) They have a religious sanction to beat their women, and treat them as second class citizens. They perform honor killings, and have imported that horrible practice to the countries they have immigrated to. And you want to empathize with people who are of a similar, evil, 7th century mindset?

"With regard to Christian’s being evil, need I mention all counts of sexual abuse scandals that have plagued the Catholic Church over the last 100 years? No, that isn't evil at all."

Nobody said that the sexual abuse and horrible misuse of power by a few deviants in the Catholic Church isn't evil. But to engage in a tu quoque (or "you too") argument in this situation is disingenuous at best, and ignores the glaringly obvious fact that the Catholic Church, as a whole, once made aware of the horrible abuses of power that were going on in some of their parishes, decried such behavior as evil. These pedophile priests that everyone on the Left is so fond of bringing up are not being praised as holy by the Church, they are being vilified by the parishioners and the Church leadership.

Shaheed (martyrs) are considered to hold the highest places in heaven according to the Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira, whether you read Ibn Ashaq or Tabari translations. Their society and religion glorifies them. Imams at mosques across the world spew venomous hatred from their pulpits of such a vile nature as to make a Neo-Nazi say, "Dude, chill!". They teach their children to hate and fear the other; that they will see paradise if they kill a Jew in the name of Allah. All this is tacitly accepted by a good portion of the Muslim population as truth and fact, because to do otherwise is to "question the will of Allah" and be branded a takfir/apostate, and risk a death sentence. To date, the outcry from the moderate Muslim population about these facts has been non-existent, except for a very few voices, who, due to their statements that Islam needs reform, have been branded as heretics and had death sentences and fatwas issued against them by the Islamic ummah.

Islam as a whole has killed more people in its 1500+ years of existence than Christianity could ever have hoped to. Except Christianity doesn't hope for violence. As bad as Christianity was in the past, Islam is much, much worse in the present. It is getting more violent, not less. There has been no Martin Luther for the Muslims. There has been no peaceful reformation movement, past or present, that swept through and changed Islam from a violent, bigoted faith; the only reformation going on is a regression to the 7th century, as espoused by the Wahabbis, and silently approved of by a large portion of the Muslim population in the Middle East and North Africa.

As for your snarky lack of education comment, grow up and stop using ad hominem attacks against people, instead of attempting to engage in intelligent discourse. They don't prove your point, they only make you look foolish. I am well educated, and have studied the Middle East, as well as read the Qur'an. I have also read the Hadith that are most widely accepted as truth by most schools of Islamic jurisprudence today, and have seen all of the verses that the Islamofascists use to justify their horrific actions. I also have read, in their entirety, the Hamas, PLO and Fatah charters. Have you?

If you aren't entirely close minded, as I have found most liberals to be, I'd actually suggest you read the following website; it has more real information than most any of the ones that you are quoting from:

http://www.palestinefacts.org/

If you are as close minded as I believe you to be, in closing:

I extend a similar invitation to you that I extended to anti-evil, if you live in the US. Move to Palestine, if you love them and their struggle so much. Live it for yourself; see the brutality they inflict not just in random violence towards Israel, but in random violence towards each other. Oh, and while you are there, try and indulge in some Western pursuits, like listening to music that isn't considered Halal. Or, if you are a woman, try showing a little leg. See how "tolerant" and "peaceful" they are with you.
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Oh noes! the Ebil JOOOS are at the head of a worldwide conspiracy! It started to come to a head when they threw themselves into the Nazi ovens at the concentration camps!!!!! That was part of their evil plan!

Take the tinfoil hat off, steve. Jews are less than 1% of the entire world population. To assume that they control it all is assinine.

Jews have been hated since time immemorial for pointing out to others that right is right, wrong is wrong, there is evil and good in the world, and a true human being follows the path of goodness.
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